Ioric, you claimed my assertion that debt increased dramatically under the Frazer Govt was wrong.I showed you the irrefutable Govt figures.You now blame the Whitlam Govt for these increase. Rubbish Can you give me one reform made by the Frazer Govt that has had some benefit for the Australian community.Where was this money spent? Howard spent one mining boom receipt before we had the mining boom when he was treasure and then spent the proceeds of another mining boom when PM. Howard has a lot to answer for.