and yes. I actually think Turnbull might have been good for us if he had been a better politician. Keating had considerable skill
i was quite heavily involved in NZs reforms and met personally with Roger Douglas a couple of times - once over successfully breaking patterned bargaining - and Lange) and was exposed to the extent that Lange kept reminding Douglas of social goals. It was, like the Hawke Keating era a fascinating period.
we have nothing like this on our political landscape but I happen to think that too is one of the unintended consequences of the changes
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