Did Jesus actually exist?

Originally posted by pear ↑

Hi Filter 48

Why is it that when you don't like a verse in the bible, all of a sudden the literal meaning doesn't hold. You want to put an interpretation to it. Now why don't you finish Jesus' sentence.
"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed^[c] in heaven.” He was talking to Peter was he not? or was he talking to himself?
No one suggests that it is Peter's church except nutters here. It is Jesus's church with Peter being appointed the first leader. This may stick in your gall but and you may want to come up with looney interpretations but it will not work.

If you want to argue that the Catholic Church has showed itself not worthy of what was given to them over history, then, you don't have an argument from me.

And spare the rubbish about Jesus' sermon on the mount. You nutters have obliterated that gentle Jesus by accepting and quoting the abomination that is Relevations. Do you recognise the Jesus of the mount with Jesus in revelations?

And by the way, as far as killing and murdering by the Catholic Church, what is new compared by the killing and murdering on the orders of the abomination of the god of the Jews? The popes have a direct line to him. They can bind and unbind as they wish because Jesus told them so. And if you don't believe that, then you are calling Jesus a liar and that won't do will it.

Just like Christians tell the writers of the Old Testament how to interpret their books, latter day warriors are telling the catholic Church how to interpret the New Testament which they wrote. Go figure!

Pear

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"I will give you the keys of the kingdom etc "is actually one of my favourite verses that show believers that they have the authority of Christ " to bind and loose". I tend to believe that Peters statement of revelation is that which equips any who believe that Jesus is the Christ. As to Peter being the head of the "church" - I believe that role is Christs and all believers are " A chosen race , a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a a people for God's own possession,that you may proclaim the excellences of Him who has called you out of darkness into His wonderful light" Peter2 :9-10. The "church " is not a reinventing of the old testiment priesthood with it's physical pomp and splender and opulance, with rules and regulation and bowing to men of"postion".
Jesus's reference to binding and looing was a reference to the casting out of demons from those possesed/opressed.
As to God ordering the Israelites to wipe out various people groups that was because after decades and in some cases hundred of years of those people worshiping false gods and desending into a debauched life style that in many cases involved the sacrifice of their babies and young children on to the red hot hands of the metal stature of Moloch while partaking in drunken sexual orgies. It was the judgement of a rightous GOD that had got to the point were mercy was exausted and the time for the wages of sin had come.
The catholics never "wrote" the new testiment and it was already decided by about 130 ad as to which books were authentic by those who were eyewittnesses and those who new them.
Of coarse Jesus in the sermon on the mount and Jesus in- most of it is the book of revelations is the same. Have you not read how Jesus costantly warned of the judgement to come- He spoke of hell more than He spoke of heaven. Read luke 16:19-31. It is a warning. Christ know what is going to happen and was costantly giving warnings. The Book Of Revelations is the most terrifing yet most glorious book in the Bible- parts of it are symbolic - most is very today.But yes it is the same Jesus.