Fruit of the Spirit: How to Sow to the Spirit

Originally posted by wotsup: ↑

Isa 9:6 (Hebrew truth) - For a child is born, unto us a Son is given -- Unto us and will be the government upon His shoulder -- and will be called His name wonderful, counselor, God, mighty everlasting father, prince of peace.
2 Sam 7:12 - And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

Father;
Mal 2:10 - Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
So ALL these things, names etc referenced to Jesus in the Isa verse, are ALL in the future context, so if you try and suggest Jesus is The One and only Father as in the Almighty God, then your trying to say he was the Father referred to in this Mal 2:10 verse = Not so and considering it's all future context, your suggesting in Mal, there Father was not yet around haha.
Therefore, we have no option but to let the Bible interpret the meaning of Father here in relation to Jesus.
The fact that Jesus was the first to be raised as he was, we could say he was the Father of it.
We are never referred to as his son's and daughters, again disconnecting him from being literally part of The Almighty God and Father.

1 Cor 8:6 - (Greek truth)  Yet to us one God,the Father, of whom the things all things, and and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ by reason of, for the sake of, because of, through whom the things all things, and we by reason of, for the sake of, because of, though Him.
(Everything including us were created for this future one).

So that quite clearly defines this Father matter along with Jesus words in John 20:17 To my Father and your Father and my God and your God.
The italic writings in this 1 Cor ref are as per the Greeks own meaning of their word DIA, that and that alone shows us, how we NEED to understand the context of the "through" word = In the mind and plans of God, everything was for this future one, including us.
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child is born, = 2 Sam 7:14 - I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Plain as simple as with the Isa verse, all in the future context and zero Hints even, of a pre-existing seed, son, in any way shape or form other than in the mind and plans IN God as per Eph 9:3.
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Government on his shoulders;
1 Cor 15:27-28 - For he -->(Almighty God and Father) hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that Godmay be all in all.

One shouldn't have to spell out the CLEAR and obvious here, Government on his shoulder BECAUSE the Almighty God and Father chose to, exalted him and placed all things under him and then the Son becomes subject to His God and Father.
So again, this does not make Jesus 1/3 of the Almighty God and Father,
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Mighty - Strong;
Never is Jesus referred to as The Almighty = again, ruling Jesus out and being 1/3 of the ONE Almighty God and Father who Jesus says is;
Mark 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:
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God as per the Isa 9:6;
Jesus began in the mind and plans of God, Rev 13:8, 3:14 and Col 1:15, he was to be a Son to God, we then see God saying "this IS my Son whom I am well pleased" and then we see it referenced as, only begotten Son.
Begotten meaning = Heb 1:5 - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Once again the clear and obvious, prior to Mary, God did Not have the Son Jesus, and when Jesus died, AGAIN he didn't have the Son Jesus, hence he was Begotten AGAIN, comes from Begat = you once didn't have it.

Phil 2:9-10 - Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Exalted - John 1:18 (Greek truth) - God no one has ever seen yet; only BEGOTTEN God, the being in the bosom of the Father, He has made him known.
Zero hints here that Jesus has seen him before going to him.
Jesus gone from a plan, to a son, to begotten son to a begotten God, exalted.

Heb 1:8-9 - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God,eventhy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
So clearly again, this Heb verse show two totally separate identities.
Thy God - John 20:17 - I (Jesus) ascend to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

So again, no way is Jesus 1/3 of this One Almighty God and Father, but a begotten Son exalted to a God, just as WE were all promised in you Isa reference.
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will be called His name wonderful, counselor, God, mighty everlasting father, prince of peace.
So right here we see this will be's, = future context;
Phil 2:9-10 - Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

The Heb references says, the name he receives is by INHERITANCE = I would have thought, to inherit means there has to be something already in place, existing already to inherit it.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was The Word,......and GOD WASThe Word.
Rev 19:13 - And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

So we have an inherited name here, and what does John 1:1 say, The Word and from that the inheritance = The Word of God.
Do you know what OF means?
You cannot be the thing you are OF.
But,....are YOU actually LOOKING at what this verse is saying as it says, HIS NAME is the word of God, it is NOT saying He IS the word of God or the Word, name ONLY.

But what it does tell us, if your coming to God in Jesus's name, you are coming in The Word of God and all that that entails.
Therefore, if one pays attention to all the things that God's word represents, comforter, counselor, mighty, everlasting and on and on it goes, just as the Isa verse said Jesus would be or could be called.
In fact, the Isa references only lightly touch on all the numerous things the word of God represents.
So when you then consider the bowing down subject and considering the messages Jesus gave, it is all to the glory of the Almighty God and Father and if you don't accept one of them without the other and don't know one of them, then you do not know the other and neither will they know or accept you.

There art 2 only in heaven, singular as in 2 apples and if you study God's numbers, you will soon SEE how very, very relevant the 2 is.
Not to mention, 2 is company and 3 is a crowd = Ba'al, 3 sun gods.

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Clearly Wotsup you are a prolific writer in as much as your replies are full of all your "proofs" and "verses" along with your commentary clearly emblazoned in italics, bold type and various text sizes and styles! No wonder I get confused!
You no doubt are also a scholar making the more than occasional reference to the "Greek" text which enhances your credibility. Now it is not my intention to ridicule your style but it is conspicuous that your banner is to dispel this myth that Jesus is God and in some of your words.....the Father....
"So again, no way is Jesus 1/3 of this One Almighty God and Father, but a begotten Son exalted to a God, just as WE were all promised in you Isa reference."
The understanding that Jesus Christ was pre-existent and was God incarnate was not just decided at Nicaea in 325 but had been believed since Pentecost and alongside was those who like you who have thought that  Christ was something more than man, but less than God; less than God, that is, in the highest sense of the word "God". This was held by a variety of thinkers, and with great differences of opinions, but it passes under the general name of "Arianism." Yours is nothing new and like the theology of those who held such opinions yours is wanting.
Exegesis of the passages of Scripture is not you pulling out a whole pile of references and then attaching your logic to it to prove a point. You are doing what is called "isogesis" where you bring your theories to it and distort the Scriptures to suit your doctrine. I am really not that interested in proving anything to you or convincing you otherwise as this debate has been going on since the resurrection!
Like the early church and down through history you will find from time to time that this teaching surfaces and again disappears into obscurity or into some sect like the JW's or Mormons because they all have a problem with the Deity of Christ.

If you wish to read an extended theological work on the subject then download this old book from Archive.com , it's called
Bishop Bull's Works on the Trinity, Volume 3. It deals with all your questions and or statements as they are nothing new. It was written a long time ago.

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